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Cymro
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Fair enough, it was only ment to be a joke given both of you like to take the long way round in an answer ( I thought I was bad at it) and you both quote simmilarly- i.e. you don't use the quote bit which would make reading your comments a hell of a lot easier.
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Aventinian
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| Dave Coull wrote: | | I can answer that! Dave Coull NEVER uses disguise. As quite a few folk here on this forum are well aware from their own personal experience, Dave Coull is far too conceited ever to conceal the fact that he is Dave Coull. |
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RFM
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| Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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To cyro;
I guess Dave Coull has said it better than I can; if reading bores you and you find it difficult to maintain a track of thoughts about what you read, I wish I had known that before I took the time to answer your request.
I too was in the army, and I knew about everything within 300 yards of my position, wherever it was, and absolutely nothing beyond that distance. The military has its own propaganda machinery to "boost the morale" of the troops in every country, UK included. Which has almost never relies on truth or fact.
It was only after I got home and did some of that boring reading from newspapers, books and personal accounts that I began to understand what I had been involved in. Your wife's cousin would probably agree with that, if he is out of the service.
Dave Coull is perfectly capable of looking after himself and he certainly needs no help from me. |
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Cymro
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| RFM wrote: | To cyro;
I guess Dave Coull has said it better than I can; if reading bores you and you find it difficult to maintain a track of thoughts about what you read, I wish I had known that before I took the time to answer your request.
I too was in the army, and I knew about everything within 300 yards of my position, wherever it was, and absolutely nothing beyond that distance. The military has its own propaganda machinery to "boost the morale" of the troops in every country, UK included. Which has almost never relies on truth or fact.
It was only after I got home and did some of that boring reading from newspapers, books and personal accounts that I began to understand what I had been involved in. Your wife's cousin would probably agree with that, if he is out of the service.
Dave Coull is perfectly capable of looking after himself and he certainly needs no help from me. |
Firstly, I have no problem in reading thanks. Just found your post very boring and scattered - no structure to your argument and didnt go in a particular direction. You had a fact and by god you where going to put it in whether it was relevent or not. Also the way you choose to quote others before replying makes things unclear. My reading though is tip top (when I can be arsed) thanks.
He is out of the armed forced now and glad to be gone. I've heard his stories from Kosovo (which he loved, great people) and Northern Ireland (which he hated, all arseholes in his opinion). Now, he's not stupid so like yourself would have been happy to take things witha pinch of salt. But his work, along with others included searching for wweapons and destrying them.
Where you in Kosovo then? |
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RFM
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Yes I suppose I am eager to make the point that the KLA was and still is an internationally known bunch of thugs and drug dealers. Their boss Hashim Thaci is now running things in the new state of Kosovo. It is enough to make any decent person vomit. Now you might see that as demilitarizing the patriotic resistance, but let us not fool our selves; those people have no regard for anyone or anything. If you do not think so, take a good hard look at the kind of people who deal drugs and kill people right there in the UK. It is the people of Kosovo who will suffer the most under that crew.
No I was never in Kosovo during the 1998-1999 war, my army service was 1961-1964, US Army. Too old. |
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Cymro
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| RFM wrote: | Yes I suppose I am eager to make the point that the KLA was and still is an internationally known bunch of thugs and drug dealers. Their boss Hashim Thaci is now running things in the new state of Kosovo. It is enough to make any decent person vomit. Now you might see that as demilitarizing the patriotic resistance, but let us not fool our selves; those people have no regard for anyone or anything. If you do not think so, take a good hard look at the kind of people who deal drugs and kill people right there in the UK. It is the people of Kosovo who will suffer the most under that crew.
No I was never in Kosovo during the 1998-1999 war, my army service was 1961-1964, US Army. Too old. |
So you don't know whether the KLA where being rearmed by the British Army then. Your 'experiences' of these actions consist of the web and a history in the US Armed forces. |
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RFM
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You really ought to get into the habit of trying to read, cymro.
If you go back to that article I posted for your edification, the one you dismissed as "boring" and an "long essay" you did not need, you would see that the source is given: Tim Judah, Yale University Press, says so. He is not alone as those articles were picked up by Reuters and UPA.
You think the British army stands on the street corners passing out weapons to the KLA?
England had troops in Viet Nam, you apparently don't believe that; of course they denied having anything to do with CIA rendition flights until the kidnapped people started filing lawsuits and the story could no longer be denied. Sticking one's head in the sand in response to unpleasant news rarely advances understanding. |
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William_Cleland
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| RFM wrote: | | Yes I suppose I am eager to make the point that the KLA was and still is an internationally known bunch of thugs and drug dealers. Their boss Hashim Thaci is now running things in the new state of Kosovo. It is enough to make any decent person vomit. Now you might see that as demilitarizing the patriotic resistance, but let us not fool our selves; those people have no regard for anyone or anything. If you do not think so, take a good hard look at the kind of people who deal drugs and kill people right there in the UK. It is the people of Kosovo who will suffer the most under that crew. |
Worth bearing in mind that the Albanians in Kosovo only started to turn to the likes of Thaci when the West failed to back the pacifist Ibrahim Rugova's independence declaration in 1991 (worth bearing in mind that the Carrington peace plan at that point carried the implicit message to Milosevic that he could have Kosovo if he gave up the mainly Serb areas in Bosnia and Croatia) and totally overlooked the Kosovo issue at Dayton. Even after the NATO intervention Rugova was able to beat the KLA backed candidates in the elections that were held up until his death from lung cancer a couple of years ago. |
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RFM
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Abolutely correct Mr.Cleland.
So much for western style democratic values. |
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Cymro
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| Posted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 10:34 am Post subject: |
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| RFM wrote: | You really ought to get into the habit of trying to read, cymro.
If you go back to that article I posted for your edification, the one you dismissed as "boring" and an "long essay" you did not need, you would see that the source is given: Tim Judah, Yale University Press, says so. He is not alone as those articles were picked up by Reuters and UPA.
You think the British army stands on the street corners passing out weapons to the KLA?
England had troops in Viet Nam, you apparently don't believe that; of course they denied having anything to do with CIA rendition flights until the kidnapped people started filing lawsuits and the story could no longer be denied. Sticking one's head in the sand in response to unpleasant news rarely advances understanding. |
England? Or would that be the UK? You are the first person I've ever heard say that the UK had troops in Vietnam. I know France had given it was a colony, then they pull out and to over simplise things the US went in with the whole war thing.
I'm not burying my head in any sand, I havent seen any proof to prove this point you are making. In terms of Rendition Flights, are you talking about Diego Garcia here? (See what I mean by you bouncing from one 'issue' to another?) This issue to me shows the puppet and the master approach to the relationship between the US and UK these days. The US does what it likes (even on British Territory) and the UK appoligise for knowing Fall about it.
So it a guy published by Yale Press. Ok, still not seen evidence of UK forces arming the KLA since the campaign in the late 90's. I have a person who I know and trust who's gone into indepth tales of disarming both groups in Kosovo. Which am I to believe? A person on the web who can't construct a debate, who makes out I have difficulty in reading and refers to the UK and England as well as hasn't seen active service since the 1960's or a guy who was in Kosovo involved in actual disarming during the time where debating? |
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RFM
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Well cymro,
If it is all a matter of belief, there is no reason to expect that reason and deduction will get me anywhere. I guess that is why they have churches.
Try reading Tim Judah's book, he went to a lot of work to put it together. Other than that I guess you will have to go and root around in Kosovo yourself if you want to be persuaded.
It is kind of humorous to ex-service people that the ones who never served tend to think the military is like television and movies. It wasn't when I was in and the people coming out now tell me it has not changed. |
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Cymro
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| RFM wrote: | Well cymro,
If it is all a matter of belief, there is no reason to expect that reason and deduction will get me anywhere. I guess that is why they have churches.
Try reading Tim Judah's book, he went to a lot of work to put it together. Other than that I guess you will have to go and root around in Kosovo yourself if you want to be persuaded.
It is kind of humorous to ex-service people that the ones who never served tend to think the military is like television and movies. It wasn't when I was in and the people coming out now tell me it has not changed. |
I haven't said it's like television and movies. Again you are bouncing from one to another, is that because you are actually unable to defend the things you're coming out with? I'm talking about a person who saw Active Service within the UK army a lot more recently than you saw active service with the US Army. As far as I'm aware you wouldn't have been sent to Kosovo anyway. He hated being in the Army, but liked Kosovo and what he did there as a whole. Who am I to believe? A crank on the web or a real life person? |
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RFM
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To Cymro,
Believe what ever you want. I have no interest at all in what you choose to believe.
My interest was in pointing you towards some knowledgeable people who have done extensive research in the matter. And probably have much more knowledge about the subject than someone who served in the army for a while. |
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RadgeJougal
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| Dave Coull wrote: | Cymro wrote "Sorry RFM you've bored me here. Are you Dave Coull in disguise?" and also "I don't want another essay, just an answer".
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But as for "Are you Dave Coull in disguise?", that's an easy one, I can answer that! Dave Coull NEVER uses disguise. |
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Cymro
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| Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 9:52 am Post subject: |
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| RFM wrote: | To Cymro,
Believe what ever you want. I have no interest at all in what you choose to believe.
My interest was in pointing you towards some knowledgeable people who have done extensive research in the matter. And probably have much more knowledge about the subject than someone who served in the army for a while. |
Indeed, and that person who served in Kosovo probably has a bit more knoweldge than you on the matter. I'm not interested in defending the UK Army where they've done wrong and have no doubts that across the world they have done and do continue to do wrong. However I don't believe in slagging them off for the sake of slagging them off. I'm afraid you lost any credibility by refering to the UK on a Scottish website as England, and trying to make insinuations about my reading. |
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RFM
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Don't be afraid for my sake.
What has been written is for others to judge about credibility. |
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