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animaladvocate
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HANGING IS STILL LEGAL IN SCOTLAND
Snares are thin wire nooses that are used to trap wild animals perceived to be ‘pests’. They are inhumane, indiscriminate and are used across much of Scotland. A recent poll found that an overwhelming 75% of people in Scotland thought snares should be banned. Despite such strong support for a ban on snares the Scottish Government recently announced its intention to regulate, rather than eradicate, these cruel traps.
Please join the campaign and help stop animals suffering in snares, visit www.bansnares.com
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azzuri
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Moved to the correct section - Campaigns/Events
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RadgeJougal
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Yeah great - you're either Ross Minnet or the Duchess of Hamilton. She bankrolls all your adverts. Your members could fit into a phonebox with room to spare.
Tell me - guessing you're a veggie, where do you think your fruit and veg come from? Do you prefer to poison the animals or snare them? Or are you naive enough to think they grow by themselves and deliver themselves to your plate?
You guys are just middle class folk who've never farmed in their lives, and have no clue what they're talking about. The Duchess of Hamilton's money comes from all the people whose livelihood you're trying to wreck.
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Shagpile
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| Posted: Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:40 pm Post subject: Re: HANGING IS STILL LEGAL IN SCOTLAND |
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| animaladvocate wrote: | HANGING IS STILL LEGAL IN SCOTLAND
Snares are thin wire nooses that are used to trap wild animals perceived to be ‘pests’. They are inhumane, indiscriminate and are used across much of Scotland. A recent poll found that an overwhelming 75% of people in Scotland thought snares should be banned. Despite such strong support for a ban on snares the Scottish Government recently announced its intention to regulate, rather than eradicate, these cruel traps.
Please join the campaign and help stop animals suffering in snares, visit www.bansnares.com |
Quite an emotive headline you've got there, and I have a wee bit of empathy for it. It would be more true, (IMHO) if you were to post 'UK does not give a stuff for human rights or, The Geneva Convention'! AND I'M NOT trying to belittle your passion, it's just that I am not sure of what your alternative is on this point.
Trapping wild pests is also inhumane, I for one would rather be hung than face isolation and left to thirst and starve to death in a forgotten cage. Would regulation be appropriate then?
I am against blood sports, vivisection AND ESPECIALLY when the science is open to question, but more against human cruelty to fellow man. Which is why I oppose the death penalty.
Recently, there was a hooha about hedgehogs being culled on the Western Isles, all because some prat introduced them to a habitat they were not native to, had no natural preditor, and threatened to wipe out the sea bird population. What would you have done?
Your poll in which you claim 75% were against snares. Can I ask, what quetion was? Was an alternative proposed?
Yes, I'm against snares. I'm also in favour of regulation. Do you understand what I mean? |
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RadgeJougal
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"Yes, I'm against snares."
Anyone can make a snare - it's a bit of wire and a peg. Cruel? No more so than when your pet cat plays with a mouse. Let's ban cats - after all, they massacre our birds and our rodents...
Yeah, I'm sure trapping animals is inhumane, but then again, if you're going to eat, you should probably think about where the food comes from.
This is yet another example of rich kids reacting against Mummy and Daddy without knowing what they're talking about.
If you want cruelty, have a think of where the Duchess of Hamilton's money came from... her ancestors got it by charging peasants and farmers high rents, so that they could live in a big house, and they could starve in hovels. That's cruelty.
I'm sure the Hamiltons hanged a few (humans I mean) over the centuries...
Perhaps Ross Minett, the Duchess and the five other members need a reality check. Mao's idea of re-education on state farms might be in order... they might understand what real work is! |
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Seumas
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| Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 12:53 pm Post subject: Snares |
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Yes, snares are cruel, though since legislation not as cruel as they once were.
We really have to define what we are concerned about. If is is merely not being beastly to our furry friends than I don't think that you have got a reasonable argument. If on the other hand you are concerned about the indiscriminate use of snares, then we might have the possibility of agreement.
Especially today with the question of food miles it is necessary for us to grow more of our food at home, and with our increased awareness of ecological questions we also have to care for the environment and other animals in it. This effectively means that we have to control predators, not as in killing off foxes to allow pheasants to grow up to be shot, - in any case it is much better to hunt foxes then set snares for them, but as in killing off rabbits and the like who can do so much damage in land. Sorry but snares are one of the few cheap and effective ways of doing that.
Snares should be registered and I have no doubt that technology can be produced to track them and make sure that they are inspected every day. A blanket ban would in the name of the fluffy lovers remove another tool in the arsenal available to the people who are trying to make the countryside productive and a place where people can live and prosper
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RadgeJougal
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Animal Advocate tried to persuade me that snares are never used for catching animals for food. What a load of bollocks. Obviously another knowall who's never lived in the countryside. Rabbits are usually either snared or shot for the pot. Not very nice, I'm sure, but since there are hardly any predators in this country, anymore, the rabbit population would run as rampant as the human one given the chance.
Going by the pictures on the "ban snares" site, these people are living in lala land. There's someone dressed up as a deer for Christ's sake. Have you ever heard of anyone using a wire snare on a deer? Get real!
These people should be shoved on a small island, with no boat, plenty of rabbits, a house, a few seeds, and some canned food to last them out til harvest time. Then we'd see how they got on. They could do with doing some manual work. |
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Shagpile
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| RadgeJougal wrote: | | "Yes, I'm against snares." |
I think you're quoting me mate. Snares are a cruel way of getting rid of pests, perhaps I should have added; but what's the alternative?
I hope animaladvocate will come back to me with the answers to my questions though.
ASDA, is not full of 'organically snared Rabbits' for sale on their butchery counter though, so I think that's a cheap point. I also grew up on a farm, and ate a couple of Rabbits that my dad caught (sort of hunted, he killed them by throwing stones at them) and were a good meal.
But unless you can conceive of some 'smart' land mine that will only kill targeted pests instantly, protesters will always complain. That's why I believe regulation, to be a fair compromise; respecting the countryside way of life, and concern for the environment. |
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The Lithgae Jambo
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I hope animaladvocate will come back to me with the answers to my questions though.
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I don't think you should hang around. That post is being spammed over a number of sites - and I doubt that AA will be back to check on it.
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Shagpile
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| The Lithgae Jambo wrote: | | I don't think you should hang around. That post is being spammed over a number of sites - and I doubt that AA will be back to check on it. |
I had a feeling that might be the case TLJ, thanks anyway. |
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RWD
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