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Rinty · Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 9:42 am Post subject: Colin Fox to manage Gretna

Gretna's adminstrators have confirmed that former SSP MSP Colin Fox will take charge of the club from next season. Club spokesperson Jo King said:

"Gretna are on the way down and we need someone who can manage an ever-deteriorating situation. When Colin took over the SSP they had over 120,000 voters and he took that to just 12,000 in two years. He's just the kind of guy we need to steer our collapse to the lower leagues."

Fox was sacked by the SSP at the weekend to be replaced by joint male/female convenors, he will take over Gretna when his notice period ends in May.

Amber · Nationalist Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 168

Very droll. Fox will combine his management duties with the other aspects of a lifestyle enjoyed by a free man in the coming years.

Rinty · Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:31 am Post subject:

He is furious amber, but I am sure he will put on a show until May that will match the fake support he has had since the split.

But this was an april fool joke amber, no need to bring up your obsesion with all things sheridan and courts again - it's boring.

Amber · Nationalist Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 168

Rinty · Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 10:49 am Post subject:

because you couldnt read a joke post without your obsession with tommy coming to the fore. Your comments were obviously aimed at tommy, you dont think we are stupid do you amber, what else could you have meant?

Look, he has gone and he is not coming back to your party, you will just have to try to get over him.

And please refrain from commenting on the court case in any way at all. The moderators do not want any comment that could cause trouble for the site and there is to be no more comment on court cases etc.

And all comment re sheridan or related issues are to carried out in the one existing thread. This is an april fool joke. If you want to carry on your tommy obsession do it in the correct thread.

This thread should be left clear for people who want to comment on a joke, I wouldnt want to lock it and prevent members from adding their comments.

We have a pretty sectarian free site here and you came here posting on one subject only. The atmosphere of the sectarian left blogs is not what we have here and it is not appreciated.

If you are replyng do it the the 'sheridan' thread.

Amber · Nationalist Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 168

I see. It is humour, Rinty. Funny guy. Funny, funny guy.

Ha ha ha ha.

Let me try:

"Last night it emerged that Rinty has been named press spokesman of the year.
"Rinty was given the accolade for his intelligence and skill."

I see how it works. Funny.

Anthropos · I Love 'Our Scotland' Joined: 15 Jul 2006 Posts: 323

Well I thought it was a good April Fools, though I did cotton on to the fact by the end of the first sentence; however the other Tory one pushed the limits of credulity a bit too far, though I see not for everyone.
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jimtrot · No Longer a Wean Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 62

Rinty · Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 7:49 am Post subject:

Ok jimyou win, I mentioned his "name" first.

AND, when Amber said "Fox will combine his management duties with the other aspects of a lifestyle enjoyed by a free man in the coming years.", It was nothing to do with a reference to her hope that Tommy goes to jail and was unrelated to the case altogether. She meant that Fox would be "free" from work and her reference to a "free man" was a historical reference to the abolition of slavery and NOT a reference in any way to Tommy Sheridan.

As funny as I thought my april fool was, this is funneir.

I have to ask though, now that you two have succesfuly turned an april fools joke into the usual nonsense, what will his "management duties" be? I mean he is no longer the leader of the SSP after May. And the SSP convenor doesnt have any management duties, it is a spokesperson.

Are the new convenors going to adopt some new "menagement" duties?

Now that would be news, in my opinion, as the "special conference" with its year-long review of structures, seems to have come up with nothing other than replacing Fox with joint convenors. Was there anything else?

Four years ago the McCombes cap put forward the idea of co-convenors in an attempt to stop the obvious, that Fox would win the convenor election folowing Tommy's resignation. They lost the vote then, but now when they think they can win the vote he brings it back up again.

The tranparently bogus support for Colin since the split was only a matter of timing. So unless anything else has come out of this radical, special review, the whole conference was about dumping Colin and settling old scores.

jimtrot · No Longer a Wean Joined: 16 May 2007 Posts: 62

Rinty · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 9:22 am Post subject:

"I don't know what she meant, Rinty,"

Oh come on Jim, following a joke post from me about Colin Fox, she says " Fox will combine his management duties with the other aspects of a lifestyle enjoyed by a free man", and you think that I have to be telepathic to read that as a reference to Tommy Sheridans charges? You don't expect anyone to believe that do you?

"Colin is still the Convenor of the Party and has had and will have the full support of the membership of the SSP as long as he remains in the post"

He is the convenor until replaced, almost all of the people who elected him leader have left the SSP. Following Tommy's court victory the SSP were stuck with Fox and had to show fake unity for two years to leave a reasonable time before they dumped him.

Four years ago I was at the SSP meeting where this first came up. I pointed out then that it was pointless as the convenor's job has no power in the party, we already had co-chairs, and a women's spokesperson and therefore an extra spokesperson wasnt necessary. I saw it as tokenistic

Fox, however, was more vociferous in his opposition and led the "no" vote at an angry heated National Council. He saw it as an attempt to stop him becoming convenor as the opposition knew that they didnt have a candidate that could beat him. The vote was very close, from memory 42 against the idea of joint-convenors and 41 for.

The election campaign between Fox and McCombes was nasty and created divisions that never healed. I argued that we shouldnt see this as serious as we were only selecting a press spokesperson and not a leader. But the party was split into two camps, it may already have been split already and this only highlighted it. Fox won the convenor election comfortably and supporters of McCombes were actually visibly angry and discourteous in defeat, some storming out of the hall. People actually criticised Fox's supporters for cheering his victory.

Many of those who backed Fox, most of them in fact, left the SSP, some of them to join Solidarity. There has been very little supoort for Fox in the last two years, especially as he welcomed Tommy's victory in court. But they couldnt risk more turmoil and splits in the aftermath of the court defeat and so had to pretend to support Fox in the meantime.

That is how it happened and you know it. This conference amounted to nothing more than the settling of old scores.

Who are you supporting for co-convenors Jim? How about George McNeilage and Brabara 'expel gregor gall' Scott? Both of them have good media contacts especially with top selling tabloids and George is a hero in the SSP.

Amber · Nationalist Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 168

Rinty, still posting April Fools' gags I see.

Rinty · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:26 am Post subject:

Still only posting on one subject?

Who are you voting for in the elections Amber? Why don't you and JimTrot team up and launch a bid?

Amber · Nationalist Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 168

I'll be voting SNP Rinty.

How about you? Since there wil be no Solidarity, will you be joining us?

Rinty · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:53 am Post subject:

Thats right Amber, you are an SNP supporter, who happens to have no interest in any other subject on our-scotland apart from Tommy Sheridan, solidarity and the SSP.

I might have belived you when you only stuck to you specua;ltion re the court cases, but in this thread you jumped ona an april fool joke to defend the SSP.

Have you and Jim noticed that my other april fools re rangers and the tories were not followed bu huffs from tories and or rangers supporters?

Join us? Are you an SNP member or just a voter?

Amber · Nationalist Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 168

Just a voter.

Rinty · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 11:27 am Post subject:

o you are askng if I will join you in something that you won't join?????

Amber · Nationalist Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 168

Let me clarify Rinty: Since there will be no solidarity candidates at the next election, will you join us SNP voters in voting SNP?

Is that simple enough for you?

Rinty · Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 12:25 pm Post subject:

Ah right, well, if there wasnt any Solidarity candidates I would vote for a soialist candidate.

I would imagine that there will be candidates from solidarity. I dont think we would choose not to stand given that we took over 30,000 votes in our first election.

You may not have noticd that Solidarity only stood on the list so it is still possible to vote SNP as well.

But you might as well ask people how they would vote of the SNP didnt exist. Hypotheticals like that are a bit pointless.

It would depend very much on the other canddates, the manifesto and the individual candidate.

The next election is the euro elections and then the westmnster elections. There has been talks between greens, SSP and solidarity re the euro elections and I have been involved in similar talks between even more organisations re some seats in the UK elections. But in the next scottish elections iy would be silly for solidarity not to stand so I dont really get your point.

Amber · Nationalist Joined: 28 Feb 2008 Posts: 168

There have been talks between Solidarity and the SSP re the Euro elections? Now that's either big news or another April fool.

I'll be surprised if there are any Solidarity candidates in any future elections.