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The new designs for the "UK" coins were unveiled today.
The new designs, and information about them, can be found here. The royal heraldic shield is split between the coins - and it isn't the one that flies up here. Yet they were approved by a "Scottish" Chancellor who is now Prime Minister. What a snub to his ain folk.
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Abieuan
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What awful coins, they look like rejects from the days of hammered coinage.
They would be funny though if the same was done on the obverse, you could get the Queen's ear on one coin and her chin on another etc.  |
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carol
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it looks like toy money  |
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They look nice.
Great designs.
And they are British coins, of course, designed by a Welshman. Not English coins. |
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The Lithgae Jambo
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| Blackleaf wrote: | They look nice.
Great designs.
And they are British coins, of course, designed by a Welshman. Not English coins. |
Then perhaps something other than the English standard would be more appropriate ?
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How are you lot so ignorant?
The Shield in the Coat of Arms represents England&Wales - England&Wales being the same kingdom (the Three Lions in the top left and bottom right), Scotland (the lion rampant in the top right) and Northern Ireland (the golden harp of Ireland in the bottom right). .
England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are all represented on the new coins.
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The Lithgae Jambo
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| Blackleaf wrote: | How are you lot so ignorant?
The Shield in the Coat of Arms represents England&Wales - England&Wales being the same kingdom (the Three Lions in the top left and bottom right), Scotland (the lion rampant in the top right) and Northern Ireland (the golden harp of Ireland in the bottom right). .
England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are all represented on the new coins.
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Did we say that England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland were not represented on the new coins.?
However, your own ignorance is amply demonstrated by your failure to recognise that the shield which you reproduce is not used in Scotland.
It is further demonstrated by your reference to England and Wales being the same Kingdom; they are not. Wales is a Principality.
(PS, rather than using a primary school website as your source of information on the coat of arms used by Betty, may I suggest you use her own site ?)
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Abieuan
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2008 6:04 pm Post subject: |
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Designed by a Welshman who moved to London.
I imagine that there will be some people living in the western part of "Englandandwales" who would have liked to see Y Ddraig Goch represented. |
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the design looks quite ugly.
the good thing is that the royal shield and the symbols of nationhood are in fragments - a striking representation of the disunited kingdom
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skip wrote :
| Quote: | | the good thing is that the royal shield and the symbols of nationhood are in fragments - a striking representation of the disunited kingdom |
That's quite ironic, i hadn't seen that, i may be warming to the new coinage, even though it is ugly. |
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There isn't an English Royal Standard. There is the UK Royal Standard, and then one for use in Scotland. The UK standard Royal Standard (hoho, etc) is the one used for the whole UK and in a UK context; and thus the only option which could've been chosen for the coins. Indeed, it already features on pound coins anyway. It seems that certain people are just trying to find reasons to shout 'oppression!' and curse the English.
I think they're pretty bad, but it could've been a hell of a lot worse. Rebrandings tend to be. One particularly bad one happened up here not that long ago too.
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| The Lithgae Jambo wrote: | | It is further demonstrated by your reference to England and Wales being the same Kingdom; they are not. Wales is a Principality. |
Well, to be fair, both are bullshit. There's one kingdom - the United Kingdom. As for calling Wales a principality, it's really rather archaic. A bit akin to describing Strathclyde as a barony simply because of Tom Strathclyde's title.
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| The Lithgae Jambo wrote: | | Blackleaf wrote: | How are you lot so ignorant?
The Shield in the Coat of Arms represents England&Wales - England&Wales being the same kingdom (the Three Lions in the top left and bottom right), Scotland (the lion rampant in the top right) and Northern Ireland (the golden harp of Ireland in the bottom right). .
England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are all represented on the new coins.
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Did we say that England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland were not represented on the new coins.?
However, your own ignorance is amply demonstrated by your failure to recognise that the shield which you reproduce is not used in Scotland.
It is further demonstrated by your reference to England and Wales being the same Kingdom; they are not. Wales is a Principality.
(PS, rather than using a primary school website as your source of information on the coat of arms used by Betty, may I suggest you use her own site ?) |
I know it's not used in Scotland, but it is used in all the other three members of the UK and, because of that, and because Scotland is represented on that coat of arms, then it is ok to use it on coins.
Well, it is okay to the majority of Scots. Just a minority like you lot.
Wales may be a principality (the largest in the world), but Wales is counted as part of the Kingdom of England. |
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Interesting that you feel able to speak for the majority of Scots. Do you have any poll data to back your claim?
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Aventinian
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| Blackleaf wrote: | | I know it's not used in Scotland, but it is used in all the other three members of the UK and, because of that, and because Scotland is represented on that coat of arms, then it is ok to use it on coins. |
Well it is for things that aren't particularly geographically specific to Scotland. Passports, for example.
| Quote: | | Well, it is okay to the majority of Scots. Just a minority like you lot. |
They'd moan at anything really.
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| Blackleaf wrote: | England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are all represented on the new coins.
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No they're not. The harp is not a symbol of that part of Ireland, and Wales is not English. Simple as. |
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| RadgeJougal wrote: | | No they're not. The harp is not a symbol of that part of Ireland, and Wales is not English. Simple as. |
Wales was English at the time of its incorporation. However I'd argue that the three lions is a quite appropriate symbol of Englandandwales as an entity too.
The harp is Irish - it's one of the few symbols that has found cross-community usage. It's certainly as representative as anything could be of Northern Ireland.
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Aventinian: Strathclyde is surely a Kingdom or even a collection of Kingdoms.
The coinage is changing again from the design of 1971 and I don't think it really cuts it. Rather poor.
To play devil's advocate: why not introduce a coinage of similar colour and dimensions to the Euro... economically if we were to join the Euro it would save any great financial outlay during the change over... and if we didn't it could be used as a sop to the Europeans that the UK is edging closer to the Euro... the closer the Pound gets to parity with the Euro the easier it would be to exchange them freely at no economic loss due to money changing transfers. 
Gordon Brown will miss the boat with the Euro should parity be reached - it would only be around for a short while before the pound fell below the limit of a no loss exchange, as the money markets keep a 1% or 2% advantage to trade the currencies. 
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| Blackleaf wrote: | | The Lithgae Jambo wrote: | | Blackleaf wrote: | How are you lot so ignorant?
The Shield in the Coat of Arms represents England&Wales - England&Wales being the same kingdom (the Three Lions in the top left and bottom right), Scotland (the lion rampant in the top right) and Northern Ireland (the golden harp of Ireland in the bottom right). .
England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland are all represented on the new coins.
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Did we say that England, Wales, Scotland and Northern Ireland were not represented on the new coins.?
However, your own ignorance is amply demonstrated by your failure to recognise that the shield which you reproduce is not used in Scotland.
It is further demonstrated by your reference to England and Wales being the same Kingdom; they are not. Wales is a Principality.
(PS, rather than using a primary school website as your source of information on the coat of arms used by Betty, may I suggest you use her own site ?) |
I know it's not used in Scotland, but it is used in all the other three members of the UK and, because of that, and because Scotland is represented on that coat of arms, then it is ok to use it on coins.
Well, it is okay to the majority of Scots. Just a minority like you lot.
Wales may be a principality (the largest in the world), but Wales is counted as part of the Kingdom of England. |
Its now 2008 and Wales is no longer seen as a part of England. Certains Acts of Parliament have seen to that. Hence why we now refer to things as Eng;and AND Wales not just England which included Wales. |
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Aventinian
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| Scott2006 wrote: | | Aventinian: Strathclyde is surely a Kingdom or even a collection of Kingdoms. |
Well, it was. I'd find it rather quaint to hear anyone talk about it in such terms today. Although that's what Fife Council have done in relation to their local authority area.
To me, a Kingdom is a place with its own King (or, conceivably, Queen).
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