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mashimaro · Finding Ma' Way Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Posts: 10

Mr Black Adder you television programmes made me laugh a lot.
I like your view of the world here too.

Remember there are not black, feminist, Bilderberger, media mogul, communist, homosexual, banker, alien reptiles running the world.

Just people trying to do what they think is best.

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azzuri · 'Our Scotland' Fossil Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 3792

Blackadder · Posted: Sat Apr 05, 2008 7:11 am Post subject:

mashimaro · Finding Ma' Way Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Posts: 10

Further evidence the picture is miscaptioned...

The event for which the soliders were dressing was the film The Torch shot in 2001. They were acting as extras.

If you look at the civillians in the background, they are wearing summer clothes. Go back and check temperatures for the days around the riot.

New PAP uniforms have a chest insignia and shoulder badge. These do not.

Pedicabs in the city have been decorated with blue-red-green mixing strips on the hood of passenger cab since October 2004. The strips on the pedicabs appeared in the picture were only blue, which proves that it was taken before
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Neil · Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 1:54 pm Post subject:

Thanks Mashimaro

"A lie can be half way round the world, before the truth has got it`s boots on"

This old saying is outdated by the net since it can now be all the way round the world in a second. The good news is that the web is also extremely good for checking & providing primary links.

I hope Blackadder would accept that his question has been fully answered.
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Blackadder · Posted: Sun Apr 06, 2008 10:48 pm Post subject:

Actually no, Neil.
The first thing I ever learned in politics was "Don't trust anything".
When I was being taught about photography, my tutor said "Don't trust anything, especially your own eyes!"
I next learned, through working with people, not to trust them either.
So, I'm a bit of a cynic.
When I asked about the pic's origins, I actually didn't give a toss about the "truth", no matter what that might be. Why? Because Tibet is being illegally occupied and every right-thinking individual should be shouting about it at the very least.
I fully support the actions by today's demonstrators against the Beijing Olympics ... because I want the Chinese militourists out of Tibet! And because China is not a democracy, with an appalling record on Human Rights.
You and Mashimaro want to on about another country's problems ... fine! But let's deal with it one at a time and stop trying to confuse the issue.
I, and most of the posters on this forum are well aware that the UK, US and Europe are no saints in foreign policies ... but at least we're not Islamic terrorists OR right-wing reactionaries in government OR totalitarian regimes.
I'm also a bit of an anarchist, but you'll find most of my aristocratic class are like that these days. Very Happy

Oh ... and get a life, willya?

Neil · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:32 am Post subject:

Well Blackadder if you are still disputing my validity to

Blackadder · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:29 am Post subject:

You wouldn't be with the Socialist Workers Party, would you? You do go on a lot like them!

In my youth it was the Militant Tendency ranters I had my run-ins with. Really couldn't hack them or their style of politics. I was more for the Clause 4 lot ... but after having running battles (not sought by me I assure you) along several streets of Edinburgh with both ... I resigned from the Labour Party. I would not bleed for politics ever again!

I just don't believe in these huge world conspiracies numpties like you go for.

Neil · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 11:45 am Post subject:

And yet you still won't even attempt to dispute anything on a factual basis.

It is your will that the photo be genuine & you believe in the triumph of the will over mere facts. I don't. Your reminiscences about street fighting do not inspire confidence. You are clearly still a supporter of a racist murdering Nazi party.
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Blackadder · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 12:01 pm Post subject:

I urge you to seek serious psychiatric help. You clearly desperately need it!

Neil · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:01 pm Post subject:

And on such a basis, rather than, for example, the remotest interest on arguing the subject, do these Nazi liars depend.

Blackadder i think we can all accept thatyou are incapable of any closer approach to human decency than claiming the photo is accurate & raping & murdering children. Either produce your psychiartic credentials here or withdraw your disgusting claim now. No decent person would make such unsubstantiated allegations - I certainly wouldn't about you.
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Blackadder · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 1:44 pm Post subject:

Why the heck are YOU picking on me?? I didn't even POST the bloody pic!

1) I said in my first post ...

Neil · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 2:14 pm Post subject:

Why are you picking on me? Radge no longer appears to be claiming it is true as you specificly are, which leaves no reason for disagreement.

2) That is indeed what your second post said. You were attacking me for having the temereity to suggest the posibility that the photo was fraudulent.

I gave you an out in my post yesterday that in the light of the information provided , mainly by Mashimaro, that the photo was indeed frudulent. You propmtly disgreed. OK then we all have to accept that the claim the photo is not being misused represents the absolute pinnacle of honesty to which you aspire & I do accept that.

I suppose you are perfectly free to say that you claim as an article of faith that the Chinese are worthy of criticism by our leaders. You are not entitled to claim it as an article of fact. Nor that you have any respect whatsoever for factual truth (to be fair, with the exception of the photo, you have never attempted to introduce alleged factual truth to the debate).

3) I do know that you have no respect whatsoever for the truth because I have read what you wrote & I do know that you are as supporter of & have been a street fighter on behalf of a racist party run by obscene Nazi organleggers, because you said so. I suspect, but do not know, that you do not possess the psychiatric qualifications you implied. Beyond that I have said nothing not directly following from these facts about you.
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RadgeJougal · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:15 pm Post subject:

Blackadder · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 9:17 pm Post subject:

Don't hold back Radge ... go for the jugular!!! Laughing

RadgeJougal · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:47 pm Post subject:

I wouldn't laugh too much - why has someone with an anorak "knowledge" of the People's Liberation Army popped out of the woodwork? If there was any time when the Chinese intelligence service would be monitoring the media here, it would be now, and this person has probably drifted over from the Scotsman site.

I am open to claims that this might be a fake, but this is coming from a very odd quarter. I've a funny feeling this new poster won't be seen on other threads with an insider knowledge of Scotland. Then again, I may be wrong.

RadgeJougal · Posted: Mon Apr 07, 2008 10:56 pm Post subject:

mashimaro · Finding Ma' Way Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Posts: 10

I am indeed in China. I was pointed to this post from one on the scotsman newspaper.

I can tell you now that these soldiers were taking part as extras in a movie called The Torch.
If you want to check it out, find a site with a modern version of the uniform and notice the chest and arm insignia are missing in this picture.

I suppose, Radge that you completely believe the PLA to be so stupid as to do this on the street in Tibet.

Also you might like to look at the Peddicab. The colour of the roof is all wrong and dates the picture to before the cab roofs were made multicolour.

This is a lie.
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mashimaro · Finding Ma' Way Joined: 04 Apr 2008 Posts: 10

Radge, have you ever been in Tibet in spring?

I thought not.
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