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Andrew Constantine · On A Journey (500 Miles) Joined: 02 Jan 2008 Posts: 22

Before I get into the nasty detail, I need to make it clear that while until January 2008 I was the National Treasurer of a "respectable" English nationalist party, called the English Democrats, I then resigned totally from that party having lost my previous trust in them.

I have since set up with others a pro-English Independence party (civic basis of course) called the "Free England Party".

However, over the weekend on a particular political forum, the English Democrats proudly showcased their impending poster campaign for the London Mayoral and Assembly elections due on 1 May.

There are three designs of poster, but all are thoroughly nasty, juvenile and disgusting and may well offend here in Scotland. I will not go into further detail please.

On the political forum (called British Democracy) where these fools showcased the designs, I have posted a sincerely felt apology on behalf of the respectable English nationalist community ... to any Scottish folks who are offended by the posters (and I am thinking there will be quite a few).

I am not exactly a fan of HMG political correctness, but I feel so strongly on this matter, that I have made a complaint to the new Equalities Commission.

I hope not to have refer to these unpleasant poster designs again. Clearly there has been a serious error of judgement by that party.

In today's Evening Standard, a YouGov poll gives these English Democrats' mayoral candidate (Matt O'Connor of F4J) just 1% and their Assembly candidates nil%. If these figures are accurate and reliable guides, we do not need to take these English Democrats very seriously as representing the English people!

Regards, Andrew Constantine

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Abieuan · Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 11:41 am Post subject:

The second poster could be quite confusing to people living in London who have very little English language, they may think the kilted figure is the candidate, Matt O'Connor.

This, indeed, is very unfair...........more people would want to vote for the flashing Scotsman than would for the real Matt O'Connor! Laughing

http://easishop.com/ourlondon/images...pped_large.jpg

Aventinian · Posted: Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:37 pm Post subject:

It's simply ludicrous mid-directed racist dribbling on that site. Not to mention the countless factual inaccuracies in their video about university funding. "Fools" is about the least that could be said.

Respectable nationalism is never anything more than a facade.
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An old friend having been urging me to visit for several years now, I recently spent a week in darkest East Anglia. The natives were strange, but, on the whole, very friendly. One thing I noticed in driving around the region was that there were lots of Saint George's Cross flags to be seen, and not just on "official" buildings, but very few union jacks. It seems that, while some of the more unpleasant expressions of English Nationalism may have only a limited appeal, nevertheless, "Englishness" rather than "Britishness" is increasingly emphasised, at least in that part of England.

Corby Boy · Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 3:21 pm Post subject:

Dave.

This expression of 'Englishness' is not unique to East Anglia. I live in Cheshire and St George crosses are everywhere these days.

Also, the Welsh border is not so far away, and Welsh flags are very much in evidence from our friends over there on cars and houses etc..

Culturally, the whole notion of Britain and Britishness for all the people's of this island has changed.

Hardcore, Unionism is really only alive among the subscribers of Orange Walks and some of the Aristocracy and a few loons in the unionist political parties.

RadgeJougal · Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:33 pm Post subject:

azzuri · 'Our Scotland' Fossil Joined: 12 Sep 2005 Posts: 3777

It gets worse;

English Democrats party political broadcast

see - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1234Dnbv_9o
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ENGLISH JEW · Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:06 pm Post subject:

without wanting to bring the English squabbles onto this site, Constantine's post is out of spite and bitterness as he wasn't selected to be the candinate so he threw his toys out of his pram and stomped off to start his own party.
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Dave Coull · Independentista Joined: 07 Nov 2006 Posts: 1001

Azzuri quotes Alex Salmond as saying "There is British nationalism or Scottish nationalism. I prefer the civic nationalism of small nations that has been expressed through the independence of a dozen European nations of similar size to Scotland in the past 100 years. They have prospered and I'd choose the tolerance and peace of Norway and Ireland over Trident and the illegal Iraq war any day."

You don't need to be Alex's number one fan to recognise that there is indeed an intolerant and imperialist tinge to British nationalism which is largely absent from organisations such as the SNP, the Independence Convention, etc. And the trouble with English Nationalist organisations is, they seem to retain some of the worst aspects of British intolerance and imperialism. I remember reading, a few months ago, something written by a self-proclaimed "English Nationalist" who wanted supporters of independence for Scotland to link up with English Nationalist organisations. This struck me at the time as being an extremely dubious idea. This latest offering from the "English Democrats" convinces me my wariness was totally justified. Can you imagine conducting independence negotiations with the English Democrats? Despite masses of evidence to the contrary, they maintain that London massively subsidises Scotland. They would obviously be seeking to rob us blind in any negotiations, which would consequently drag on forever, delaying independence indefinitely. Yes, we have friends in England. Personally, I have just spent a week in East Anglia amongst friends. I also have friends in other parts of England, in London, in Devon, in Bristol, in Manchester. But the sort of folk in England who are likely to be genuinely sympathetic towards independence for Scotland are not to be found in stridently English Nationalist organisations. Many of my friends in England could be described as being some sort of libertarian socialist, politically. Three of them are members of the Green Party. These are the sort of English folk who are likely to be genuinely supportive of independence for Scotland, because they recognise that this will advance the causes of tolerance and peace, and weaken support for war and weapons of mass destruction.

Aventinian · Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:29 pm Post subject:

RadgeJougal · Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:08 pm Post subject:

"The only people who make a fuss about British nationalism are the BNP, who are thankfully sidelined. Moreover, nobody in Britain - save a few weirdos - is remotely imperialistic today. "

Except the Labour Party.
And the Conservative Party.
And the Liberal Democrats.
And UKIP.
And the British Army
And the British Navy
And the RAF
And the BBC
etc etc

All of these, at some point or another in the recent past have uttered imperialist statements to justify what they're doing.

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Holebender · Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:05 pm Post subject:

You call it resolute, I call it dogmatic and irrational.

Sadly, I thought evidence would mean something to you, or that you could be persuaded by argument, but you have your dogma and nothing's going to shift it. You are no different from a religious zealot.
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