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Red Justice
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And to be frank, despite a few localists and socialists who simply want to ride the back of nationalism to destroy the state, I believe that almost every Scottish independence advocate is a nationalist.[/quote]
Not true Av I would advocate Scottish independence to secure more democracy in Scotland. I am socialist and would not like to be described as a nationalist. I have seen some Scottish nationalists , don't like what I see, and I would not want them ruling this nation.
My other argument would be independence creates easier conditions to try secure a socialist society. (I do not believe in the British Communist analysis in a British road to socialism being credible or realistic.)
Wanting independence does not make me a nationalist but a patriot which I am proud to be. If being patriotic gives out nationalist feelings then fine I still have my socialist beliefs to fall back on to remind me it is the more credible way to organise our society.
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Economist
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| Lewis wrote: | | Was he all that bad, well it wasn't the bad things he did, it was the lack of things that he did I seem to recall was his lowest point. He was not the charismatic leader that a nation needed. McConnell did not take enough opportunities and risks, those are what makes a leader great and McConnell I felt didn't fit the job. |
Totally agree. Couldn't put it better myself.
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Shagpile
No Longer a Wean
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If McConnel new about these plans, then surely it must be reasonable to assume that other Liebour elected politicians did also. So why the revolt?
Why the Brown 'coronation'?
Has the McConnell camp not stopped spinning yet? Too little and too late! More rhetoric in lack of substance from our departed FM. |
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Holebender
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What do you mean if he knew? We all knew about these plans; Gordon Brown stood at the dispatch box on Budget Day 2007 and told the whole worlds about it... and Labour's MPs cheered and subsequently voted for it.
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Shagpile
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| Holebender wrote: | | What do you mean if he knew? We all knew about these plans; Gordon Brown stood at the dispatch box on Budget Day 2007 and told the whole worlds about it... and Labour's MPs cheered and subsequently voted for it. |
Oops, I thought it was Darlings' budget!  |
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Lothian Sky
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| Red Justice wrote: |
I am socialist and would not like to be described as a nationalist. I have seen some Scottish nationalists , don't like what I see, and I would not want them ruling this nation.Wanting independence does not make me a nationalist but a patriot which I am proud to be. If being patriotic gives out nationalist feelings then fine I still have my socialist beliefs to fall back on to remind me it is the more credible way to organise our society. |
"Nationalism" is not the goal of the SNP.
Independence is the goal of the SNP.
And without it, we will always get a society of someone elses choosing.
When independence comes, we can be a normal nation state once again. I equate the SNP's "nationalism" with confidence, self determination and self beleif in Scotland, nothing more. I don't want to invade anyone, and I dont care what your gene pool consists of. I couldn't give a f*** how people describe me. I don't think I'm any more of a "nationalist" than a Norwegian or a Finn. It's not like I sleep under a saltire in my tartan jammies at night. I like most SNP supporters are European in outlook.
As for socialists, I've seen a few scary, nasty and aggressive SSP activists in my time, so maybe we should just forget it with the stupid labels, eh? |
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Lothian Sky
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As for Jack, he just did what he was told.
It's the unionist way.
Do what you're told, and don't ask too many questions.
That's what happens when you vote Labour.
What kind of leader just does what he's told?
He never, fought Scotland's corner. Not once. |
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kevin04
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Lothian sums it up perfectly for me,
Out with Politics, Jack seemed like a decent lad and a bit of a laugh and knew how to take a joke often heard him on 'off the ball' with Tam ripping into him about supporting 3 different teams etc, he was never made up to be leadership material and either is Wendy. |
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