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ENGLISH JEW
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 Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 8:13 pm Post subject: Eng Dem Posters |
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Guys
Before you shoot me and strike me off the site, let me just explain why we ran the poster campaign for the mayoral elections.
It works in both our favours that we might make it as uncomfortable as possible for those unionists who want to try and run our affairs, the posters did have a bit of cheek to them but we are trying to sort England out and we ran the posters with the full knowledge of some very senior politicans up Scotland ( but i can't mention names ).
We are doing our bit to try and force change down here but it's a long hard slog, because the media won't allow anyone other than the big 3 air time then we have to do want we can with the time and cash available.
So guys, while I see no need to beg for forgiveness, please don't see these posters as any sort of attack on Scotland but more like adding more fuel to your own fire. All of us within the Eng Dems want a free and independent Scotland as this will achieve our own goals of self determination for England and in the end full independence.
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azzuri
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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It wasn't an attack against Scotland, but an attack on Scots.
Stirring up hatred is a dangerous path to go down, and demonising a whole nation based upon questionable figures can't do any good in the long-term.
I can't help but think the EDs have made an enormous faux pas here.
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Dave Coull
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| Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2008 9:39 pm Post subject: |
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"English Jew" wrote "we ran the posters with the full knowledge of some very senior politicans up Scotland".
No matter how many "senior politicians" may have had knowledge of your intentions, these posters are so offensive, they merit a complaint that they breach race relations legislation. Maybe I should contact some of my friends in London suggesting they do just that.
"English Jew" says "i can't mention names".
It doesn't surprise me that any politician who gave the nod to this racism should feel they have to hide their complicity.
I lived for over twelve years in London. During that time, I was one of the MAJORITY of Londoners who weren't born in London. Are you aware that there are hundreds of thousands of Scottish folk in London, and they have votes? But of course, it's all just a bit of harmless fun, isn't it? Just like the Nazi posters caricaturing Jews were harmless fun. |
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Holebender
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A bit of cheek?
Imagine if these were BNP posters portraying Jews as money-grubbing thieves with big hooked noses and swarthy complexions. Is it still just a bit of cheek for the greater good?
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azzuri
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:51 am Post subject: |
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| Holebender wrote: | A bit of cheek?
Imagine if these were BNP posters portraying Jews as money-grubbing thieves with big hooked noses and swarthy complexions. Is it still just a bit of cheek for the greater good? |
Exactly. Independence, but at what cost to Anglo-Scottish relations English Jew?..
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Cymro
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 1:46 pm Post subject: |
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If anyone is interested in seeing the English Democrats Election Broadcast for the mayor of London it's available on I-Player.
More Anti Scottish Rant basically.
And it looks like some wierd "look into my eyes" video.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page...;start=2&version_pid=b009vtdm
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Aventinian
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| Posted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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It's like the BNP without the 'B' bit.
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Aventinian
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You'd at least thing he'd have bought a decent suit if he was going to be on the television.
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RadgeJougal
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| Aventinian wrote: |
You'd at least thing he'd have bought a decent suit if he was going to be on the television. |
Perhaps you should join. They need Scottish members of their persuasion.  |
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Aventinian
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| RadgeJougal wrote: | | Perhaps you should join. They need Scottish members of their persuasion. |
What? I wear decent clothes and loathe Nationalism...
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Red Justice
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Glad to hear you wear decent clothes Av . No I think when nationalism reaches the pits of racial stirring it is not good and will reflect bad on the EDs.
We are not "subsidy junkies" in Scotland and I think the British treasury has done well from our oil over the decades. Perhaps the EDs should campaign for Scotland to have a parliament with full fiscal autonomy or tax raising powers as a move in the short term before full independence. Then we can be seen to pay our own way and not lead to misplaced English voter resentment.
I cannot help the British cabinet or government being run by Scot Brits like Brown, Darling etc..but the broadcast by EDs is Anti-Scots people and why blame us? Perhaps blame the Labour voters in Scotland? But we do not want Tory rule either.
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Lewis
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| Posted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:41 pm Post subject: |
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I'd like you to read about Constructive and Destructive Nationalism.
| Quote: | | Destructive Nationalism is the movement where a nation (a group of people who are born into a single nation) believes they are the single greatest people and that all immigrants are in some form “impure” and not sufficient to live in this community. In Scotland the best example would be those small extremist parties who consider mainly the English inferior. The best example though is that of the BNP. The British National Party is one of the parties who believe that the white Brit is the native indigenous person of the British Isles. The view there is that the native people to a nation is the one that builds it up, and thus they are keeping a closed community. The issue here is the fact that the government relies merely on one people. We clearly see that a nation is defined by who is born into it. This idea involves racism and is generally the form of Nationalism that puts people off the idea and has given Nationalism a negative view which make parties like the SNP seem radical. I would also for this example like to name this a closed community. In Scottish Independence the party would support an idea of “getting rid of the English” and other minorities due to the place where they were born and creating a nation which shares nationality as the binding force. |
I have noticed the mistake about the introduction of the BNP so I apologise. Here you ill some of the boxes because you instantly exclude people from English nationalism. You basically through attacking Scottish people are saying you are superior. This is utter tosh as you make your binding force the fact that you are all English and frankly you are edging towards something very dangerous. You should have pride, but not prejudice. Here's what you should aim for:
| Quote: | | The other form of Nationalism is Constructive Nationalism. The nation/community would see that they would benefit from migrants to help make the community work better via primary, secondary, tertiary and quaternary industries. This view encompasses the idea that if a person feels they want to contribute positively to a community then they should be entitled to join. This creates an open community where people are free to move in and out, but gives an idea that people can belong to more than one nation. The binding force behind this community is that the people share a common goal of improving that country. In Scotland the idea is that of there is decreasing and small number of Scots and that we will end up relying on immigrants to keep the country going. |
This involved not getting people riled, just getting your people to act in the interest of the country. The fact you have used the chance to attack Scottish people shows that you are not acting in the long term best interests of your country.
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cornubian
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The BNP, UKIP and the English Undemocrats are cut from the same cloth make no mistakes.
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Lewis
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It would be nice to see a constructive Nationalist English party, but England by nature is more right wing statist than Scotland which is centre-left and probably on the borderline between statist and liberal. If that appeals to them then they have opinions I disagree with, but I'm not a member of English society so they are entitled to their views.
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Andrew Constantine
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| Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 9:36 pm Post subject: Unionist parties, one and all! |
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| cornubian wrote: | | The BNP, UKIP and the English Undemocrats are cut from the same cloth make no mistakes. |
Without wishing to be controversial, I comment on one thing they have in common. All these three parties are pro-Unionist parties. Not one of them is in favour of independence for Scotland or England.
The leading respectable pro-English independence party is already, in my opinion, the Free England Party. We are still very small in numbers compared to any one of the three pro-Union parties above, but we have progressed well from a new start in February 2008, and we have some outstanding activists who are very enthused about building the party.
Regards Andrew Constantine
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Cymro
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 2:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Andrew, where does your new party stand on the status of Cornwall then? |
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Andrew Constantine
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| Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:01 pm Post subject: Free England Party policy on Cornwall |
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| Cymro wrote: | | Andrew, where does your new party stand on the status of Cornwall then? |
Hi
I answered that good question on another thread by admitting we did not have such a policy. Fact is that since we got the party going in February we have been working hard to build it up and have foccussed on our core message of English Independence.
My guess is that at our first AGM our party will decide on a policy which will at the very least be much warmer/attentive to Cornwall's special status than most other parties. But it will be up to what the party votes.
I do think Cornwall is getting a very bad deal out of the Union. Why haven't the Cornish raised the roof about not even having a University!
Regards, Andrew
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Cymro
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| Well does your core principle of English independence include Cornwall or not? I'm not saying Campaign for Cornish Independence but is there at least an acceptance that Cornwall isn't a county of England a la Somerset or East Anglia but for want of a better word 'in an union' with it? Surely this would be kind of central for your new party - would the Free England Party stand in Cornwall or not? |
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agentmancuso
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| Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:54 pm Post subject: |
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| cornubian wrote: | | The BNP, UKIP and the English Undemocrats are cut from the same cloth make no mistakes. |
All nationalists are cut from the same cloth.
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