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October1974 · I Love 'Our Scotland' Joined: 11 Mar 2006 Posts: 361

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Lewis · No Longer a Wean Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 81

William_Cleland · Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 12:31 pm Post subject:

If the calculation was that the SNP would implode when handed the reins of power it definitely appears to be off base so far. I'd wait a year or two, though, before seeing it as a permanent change in the political landscape. Could still be a prolonged honeymoon effect.

Lewis · No Longer a Wean Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 81

I think it has a lot to do with anger at Westminster, but it's certainly something which is bringing a new look to Scottish Politics. Scottish Politics is no longer being overlooked, I think the SNP are bringing a lot of dignity back to it.
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Alasdair · Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 2:03 pm Post subject:

Personally I wouldn't be surprised if we see the SNP run into severe difficulties in the next few years. If, as many suggest, they are running a purely populist government then the cracks will begin to appear soon enough.

Also, there are plenty of folks chucking mud at them, some of it's bound to stick eventually ... if it hasn't already begun to do so. It is rather irritating that they use their poll ratings to answer questions, I think we'd all have a much clearer idea if the main opposition was in some way competent, sadly I don't see it happening.
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Red Justice · Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 4:20 pm Post subject:

I think the SNP could well run out of steam if they think that relying on popularist government is all that is required. It would be typical of a gradualist party to go this way. What is required is revolutionary change in Scotland to liberate all workers, the poor and pensioners from their chains. A fair deal and society that is just and deals with obscene wealth in Scotland. This can only come about by supporting a party committed to a socialist republic for Scotland. The SNP merely want to tinker with capitalism alongside their reformist approach.
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agentmancuso · Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 5:33 pm Post subject:

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Red Justice · Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 6:00 pm Post subject:

Short of a revolution vote Solidarity to liberate the working class.

I was speaking metaphoricaly about the groups such as pensioners being in chains. ie: chains of slavery in capitalism check out how the income of pensioners is not linked to inflation and how their standard of living as gone down eg: fuel poverty all under a Labour government.
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Abieuan · Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 7:49 pm Post subject:

Those kind of metaphors seem like something from a bygone age.

People are free to travell elsewhere, Spain, Germany, even Poland if they wish.
It sounds more like some kinky club than real life in the 21stC.

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William_Cleland · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 3:45 am Post subject:

chicmac · Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 11:46 am Post subject:

Scott2006 · Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 1:57 am Post subject:

chicmac - very well made comments.

Anyone who thinks Marxism is a prospect in the next fifty years is deluding themselves.

Is a nuclear free Scotland a country that bans sunshine? Or just an ignorant slogan?

Nuclear power from fusion energy or hot fusion energy in the first instance will by 2050 to 2070 be contributing the lions share of power to Europe.

The processes of radioactive decay when completely understood and a fully formed theory which can explain which conditions are able to facilitate or curtail the energy transformation - then the prospect of cheap cold nuclear fusion will provide even relatively poor countries with nearly unlimited energy.

Processes at present beyond us will be commonplace in the late 21st century.
If you have near unlimited energy which can be safe enough and near eliminiate radioactivity harmful to humans, then you have enough energy to transform salty sea water to drinking water, and can grow sufficient crops to feed the world population if politicians break the habit of a lifetime and co-operate to achieve that.

If a form of utopia ever really arrives - I doubt the first thing they'll do is turn the world into a Marxist commune.

Marxist control freaks would replace one elite with another. Only in most cases they need to kill the figurehead before they misrepresent and lie about what's happening for years.
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Holebender · Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 2:54 am Post subject:

William_Cleland · Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 3:48 am Post subject:

Scott2006 · Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 4:35 am Post subject:

Holebender: In nuclear fusion as put into a nuclear power plant has a by-product which is radioactive - the half-life, decay, is only 12.26 years - but the same process as fission also occurs.
The fission of Uranium has a more complex structure and is more toxic for longer than humanity could possibly exist and cannot really be justified with present technological understandings and constraints.

The ultimate aim for nuclear reprocessing is to alter the depleted uranium and plutonium by getting beyond the quantum level of understanding and realising the structure of the forces acting within the multiple layers of sub-atomic particles.
I think safer cold fusion will occur before the damage caused by nuclear fission of uranium on this planet will be reversed.

William_Cleland: Fewer resources is a problem - I can see your position and in the timescale of the next thirty years periods of lack of food and fuel might occur in parts of the world. I just don't think a Marxist reductionist position would succesfully explain never mind deal with such a situation at all well.
Scotland should invest more in tidal and wind here. By the time it would be economically viable for every house that can using a wind generator oil and gas would have to be many times higher in price than they are today.
What today may take 15 years to pay for itself in wind-electric generation would be viable large scale if it only took 3-years to pay for itself.
Whatever happens the rich and upper middle class will look after themselves and leave the Marxist view as one of envy and vanguardism. Always looking forward to the day when trading as capitalism conforms to their partial world view and fails to allow people to feed themselves.
It gets less and less likely every year - in my opinion.
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chicmac · Posted: Thu May 08, 2008 8:36 am Post subject: