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Lewis · No Longer a Wean Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 81

There have been a lot of younger people beginning to find out about former Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau. He is seen as a charismatic, smart and very good politician by a lot of people as well.

Even though he is anti-nationalist, I regard him as a hero. He fought for gay rights and he worked with nations who were being suppressed because of their beliefs.

And he also has one of the finest moments in media bashing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-7_a2wa2dd4

What do you all think about him?

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Holebender · Posted: Sun May 04, 2008 4:41 pm Post subject:

Cool? He's stone cold dead!
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McDougall · Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 3:21 am Post subject:

Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau?

He also won the worst PM contest by a Canadian liberal online site. Boy were they shocked! Maybe you will be too.
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Holebender · Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:25 am Post subject:

If you ever posted something worth reading... then I'd be shocked!
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McDougall · Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 12:11 pm Post subject:

Holebender · Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 12:45 pm Post subject:

If you had any mind of your own you'd realise from the quote that I have zero respect for agentmancuso and I quote that particular gem of his to demonstrate what an unthinking fool he is to all and sundry. Try reading what is actually quoted, get a friend to explain it to you, and maybe you'll see what I mean.
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Lewis · No Longer a Wean Joined: 21 Feb 2008 Posts: 81

agentmancuso · Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 4:27 pm Post subject:

Holebender · Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 5:27 pm Post subject:

Ai thang ewe!
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McDougall · Posted: Sat May 17, 2008 10:53 pm Post subject:

Name calling and sounding boards. The way of deconstructionists is so deep when you scratch the surface.

You are on a Scottish board so you respect the tartan agentmancuso, but deconstructionists never respect much but there own egos. Which they never submit to their own deconstructions.

I still say you make a fine team, the need to distance yourselves seems half-hearted and kind of desperate.
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agentmancuso · Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 8:33 am Post subject:

Holebender · Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 11:09 am Post subject:

It is not always true that my enemy's enemy is my friend. Sometimes they are both my enemy.

I shall not be engaging any further with you, McDougall. You just don't interest me and have never said or posted anything remotely interesting. I don't know why you feel driven to spray your hatred of the female sex all over this forum but I think you should seek a more private remedy for what ails you.
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McDougall · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 12:03 am Post subject:

If you truely believe in equality, as you let on, then showing news from around the world that shows women have their negative characters wouldn't get you into such an emotional tizzy.

The fact that the mainstream media usually ignores such stories, or occasionally leaves them to the later part of the telecast (after going into depth about lesser crimes by men), and or blames any bad act by a woman on some man-anyman, then you would grab you egalitarian statue and join us in trying to balance the news.

Yet instead you get angry at me, and men like me, and call a balancer of the news with the feminist term "mysogynist." A term that is used on anyone who merely questions a whole list of issues that are sacred cows to their agenda.

Agentmancuso has dissed my wife's affection for me and how I treat her, or likely all the women on our side, who see the destruction going on to families and have crossed the lines with more strength of character than weak emotional men like yourselevs, who put up no arguments but simply put forth emotional rhetoric and name calling. As do the feminists for the most part, with a few exceptions.

As for agentmancuso dissing of tartans (and the implication of Scotland and the ideas that are represented by Scotland) I need not describe any other examples of deconstructionism as he is doing so in the same breath as he wonders what I mean by the term deconstructionism (as he plays out a narrow version of the term).

I would add to this term misanthrope to describe him, along with "attention whore" as he goes around trying to get attention by trying to get others angry with his rhetoric and emotionalism.

If you really don't like me then ignore men as Holebender has promised ( crossing my fingers). Agree to disagree, and find someplace to exercise your need to get attention, as you say your wife just loves this sophistry agentmancuso . If so, hang around her, until she orders you like a little boy to take it outside, for no one loves a misanthrope in the end.

Misandry (hatred of men) can be seen in how you approach me, men's news that is ignored, blaming men for the crimes of women, and your need to lock horns with other men and pee on your trees at every opportunity with little differences of opinions stated in any real depth.

You are following your nature and are no different that those generals that told the boys to go over the top, with the same underlining misandry, as you claim to care about people of all things! People do not only include women and children, and to say you love your fellow man and not love your fellow man is a bit twisted.

The UN says 40 % of the worlds deaths are women & children, that means 60% of the worlds death are men, yet they receive minimum support from the likes of men like you. It is not our wish to only show stories that only show women in a bad light, but don't ask us to show 50/50 when the mainstream media show 95-5. You are in fact asking us to lay down our arms. For with 50/50 news items we would carry on the idea that men are not suffering worse in medical funds, access to kids, anti-boy school systems and UN funds etc, as we continue to only listen to one side whine as the other side is stoic.

In your heart you know what I say is true, and that your need to hate men has more to do with how you have been treated by males in your own life, and you are using your protector of women to mask your hatred and distrust of men.

Just because some male beat you up in your youth doesn't mean you need to take it out on every man who disagrees with your cloud like perfect vision of women.

The long list of literature and great men going back in time showing bad women bring their evilness indirectly, and that we shouldn't look at only direct evil as the only evil out there is well supported. The fact you want to discredit me, doesn't me you discredit so many of the most brilliant minds the west and east has to offer that warn of effeminate men and women's indirecness run amuck.

Pick up you arguments to a higher level or buzz off, for you make such forums not a retreat from the TV, but just more of the same garbage gossipfests you find on the tube.
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The good men may do separately is small compared with what they may do collectively -
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None of us is smart as all of us-
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macnumpty · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 5:13 pm Post subject:

Sorry, McDougall, but you wouldn't know what equality was if it came up and bopped you on the nose. You want to drag everyone down to your level and your rationale appears to be: "People think men do bad things, so I have to make women out to be evil as well".

Some defender of your gender you are. Why not try presenting men in a positive light? If all you can do is condemn women across the world as Jezebel figures, rather than show a positive case showing work done by decent men, then whatever you think you're doing, you've failed.

The fact that you have to rely on Bush-ite rhetoric, accusing agentmancuso of hating his gender because he doesn't agree with you, shows how weak your case is.

All you have to offer is hate, petty and small-minded. Come back when you've got something useful.
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McDougall · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:09 pm Post subject:

We do show men in a positive light. And Bush-lite? Sorry everyone who is for men's rights isn't for Bush.

Agentmancuso:

macnumpty · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:23 pm Post subject:

How exactly do you show men in a positive light, when you constantly portray us as victims of evil female oppression? That's not showing men as positive forces for good at all.

And by "Bush-ite" (note, no L), I mean to compare you to George Bush, who says that to disagree with US foreign policy is to support terrorism and hate America, just as you say that to disagree with you is to hate men.

And based on the evidence of your posts, which nothing more than scare stories of evil women, you clearly do have issues: an obsession with a female threat. Perhaps not hatred after all, but fear, and your tirade about "effeminate" men (definition, please?) suggests a fear of emasculation. Frankly, I think agentmancuso's bang on the money, you have nothing to show for your beliefs but spite. And that is precisely why your case is weak.
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Alasdair · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 9:49 pm Post subject:

From "Canadian Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau" to "victims of evil female oppression" in less than a page!?! Is there something going on in Canada I missed? I bet it's those damned suffering jets again Mad

Are there missing posts on here?

And for the record I'm a damn fine man who occasionally wears tartan Very Happy

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macnumpty · Posted: Mon May 19, 2008 10:03 pm Post subject:

Yeh... if this were Page 2 or 3 I'd be tempted to split the thread, but in this case... Confused

Maybe it's symptomatic of the fact that we don't follow Canadian politics well enough to rate or slate Trudeau with any confidence. We're on surer ground here!
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