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Holebender
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 Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 8:36 pm Post subject: Remember that arc of insolvency? |
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The World Economic Forum has named Norway as having the world's most stable economy.
Meanwhile small independent Iceland has had a look at its strengths and has decided to corner the world's server market. They have abundant (100% renewable) energy supplies and a cold climate, and they have just installed optical fibre links to North America and Europe with a capacity of over 5 terabits per second. Now they are marketing themselves as the place to set up your computer servers and reduce your carbon footprint - all renewable energy to power the things and reduced cooling requirements due to the low ambient temperature.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/8297237.stm
Isn't it great to be shackled to the cumbersome beast that is the UK, and to be allowed to sacrifice so much to save the City of London from itself?
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Stevie
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I'm so glad we've had TB and GB at the helm and soon it'll be DC.
There you have it : a disease, a sad failed memory of empire and some comics.
We could be Norway with or without the oil.
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Ultra
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: Remember that arc of insolvency? |
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| Holebender wrote: | The World Economic Forum has named Norway as having the world's most stable economy.
Meanwhile small independent Iceland has had a look at its strengths and has decided to corner the world's server market. They have abundant (100% renewable) energy supplies and a cold climate, and they have just installed optical fibre links to North America and Europe with a capacity of over 5 terabits per second. Now they are marketing themselves as the place to set up your computer servers and reduce your carbon footprint - all renewable energy to power the things and reduced cooling requirements due to the low ambient temperature.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/click_online/8297237.stm
Isn't it great to be shackled to the cumbersome beast that is the UK, and to be allowed to sacrifice so much to save the City of London from itself? |
Iceland. A place that has 4 times the amount of debt that the UK has....
Also, places like Livingston have been houses these server farms for quite some time. Plus a few other dotted around Scotland.
All very experimental on Iceland's part and by no means certain big companies will re-locate due to the bandwidth costs and security issues. |
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landg
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anyone remeber when james swinney and alex salmond were always wittering on about iceland as a way of convincing us independence was a good thing.
now they don't say the i word at all now.
i'm sure it was private eye that did a wee feature on it, they counted how many times they said iceland before and after the country went tit's up.
it was very funny indeed. |
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Stevie
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 6:18 pm Post subject: Re: Remember that arc of insolvency? |
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| Ultra wrote: | Iceland. A place that has 4 times the amount of debt that the UK has....
Also, places like Livingston have been houses these server farms for quite some time. Plus a few other dotted around Scotland.
All very experimental on Iceland's part and by no means certain big companies will re-locate due to the bandwidth costs and security issues. |
Nice to see you'll rain on any parade in order to push a point.
The shock would have been if you'd said, 'Those clever icelanders, and they have Bjork too'.
And I've no doubt the landg part of the landg and Ultra show has a back up point for your post already prepared.
Oh yes, lets not forget the £170 billion of GB GB debt and still counting.
Oops almost forgot, £1 will get you ~94 euro cents; nearly at parity again. Indeed the UK is great comfort in these trying times with its rising unemployment and poor economic management.
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Shagpile
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| landg wrote: | | anyone remeber when james swinney and alex salmond were always wittering on about iceland as a way of convincing us independence was a good thing. |
Like how you're convincing us all it's a bad thing?
| Quote: | | now they don't say the i word at all now. |
Yes they do, and if you didn't know they're introducing a bill, which if passed will give us that referendum. I know YOU'RE in favour of one 'cause YOU believe it (the referendum) will be defeated.
| Quote: | i'm sure it was private eye that did a wee feature on it, they counted how many times they said iceland before and after the country went tit's up.
it was very funny indeed. |
Sure it was in a unionist sort of way....... yet not half as hillarious as the posts you make. |
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Ultra
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| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:51 pm Post subject: Re: Remember that arc of insolvency? |
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| Stevie wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | Iceland. A place that has 4 times the amount of debt that the UK has....
Also, places like Livingston have been houses these server farms for quite some time. Plus a few other dotted around Scotland.
All very experimental on Iceland's part and by no means certain big companies will re-locate due to the bandwidth costs and security issues. |
Nice to see you'll rain on any parade in order to push a point.
The shock would have been if you'd said, 'Those clever icelanders, and they have Bjork too'.
And I've no doubt the landg part of the landg and Ultra show has a back up point for your post already prepared.
Oh yes, lets not forget the £170 billion of GB GB debt and still counting.
Oops almost forgot, £1 will get you ~94 euro cents; nearly at parity again. Indeed the UK is great comfort in these trying times with its rising unemployment and poor economic management. |
Rain on who's parade? Iceland's?
Oh please. If you are going to complain about a post, at least go and find out where the idea originated. It wasn't Iceland. It was Scotland. Even the whole use of eco-friendly power to cool the servers. They have been doing in the North of Scotland for years.
Planning permission granted for another massive site in Dumfries too.
Yes, unemployment and poor economic management. Scotland's unemployment has hit 200000. Oh dear.... Better get a job or did you have to leave the country to find one? |
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Holebender
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So... Scotland has a brilliant idea and fails to exploit it fully. Independent wee Iceland picks up the idea and runs with it. I wonder which country will be first out of recession? I wonder what the deciding factor will be?
Do I need to spell it out?
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Ultra
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| Holebender wrote: | So... Scotland has a brilliant idea and fails to exploit it fully. Independent wee Iceland picks up the idea and runs with it. I wonder which country will be first out of recession? I wonder what the deciding factor will be?
Do I need to spell it out? |
I wonder indeed. The UK or some other European country? Who is it going to be Bender? I believe the first countries to come out of recession were France and Germany. UK is due to come out this year and Iceland's best estimate is H1 2010.
http://www.iii.co.uk/shares/?type...icleid=7510439&action=article
Oh dear. Things not looking too good for Iceland. it's got a higher unemployment rate than Scotland. Scotland having the higher unemployment rate out of the rest of the countries in the UK.
The economy suits me fine just now in the UK. Low interest rates and no inflation. Bonuses and salary increases re-instated as revenue has picked up and the private sector has weathered the economic storm. Houses starting to go back up for sale as mortgages become easier to obtain and house prices are rising. Contrast this with Iceland....
Who says Scotland aren't exploiting this idea? Because you haven't heard?
Is this you comparing Scotland to other 'wee' countries because it suits? Are Scotland too wee to exploit this idea? Is that what your saying?
Oh and did you know that Iceland has high income tax rate and low corporation tax model? Always goes down well with tax payers that one  |
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Holebender
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I am not saying Scotland is too wee to exploit the idea. Consider the logic; Iceland is tiny and able to exploit the idea, Scotland is an order of magnitude bigger and not able to exploit the idea fully. What sort of thinking does it take to conclude that must be because Scotland is too small?
Scotland cannot fully exploit the idea because Scotland's economy is controlled some 400 miles south of its border. Without the means to make and implement decisions in Scotland for Scotland, Scotland is permanently hamstrung by the Union.
I am pleased for you that the economy of the UK, which you tell us has delivered the UK's highest unemployment rates for Scotland, suits you so well. It's a pity it doesn't seem to suit so many (unemployed) in Scotland, though.
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Just a note of the server cooling thing. Iceland may well be far better placed to exploit the idea due to it geographical location and I suspect much lower average temperatures than we have here in Scotland.
Our temperature actually being relatively mild compared to other places on a similar latitude.
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azzuri
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| Alasdair wrote: | Just a note of the server cooling thing. Iceland may well be far better placed to exploit the idea due to it geographical location and I suspect much lower average temperatures than we have here in Scotland.
Our temperature actually being relatively mild compared to other places on a similar latitude. |
Indeed. Moscow for instance!
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Stevie
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The Americans seem to think that Iceland (the very name brings shivers of frozen food memories to the fore) is a likely bet and the government of Iceland seems to be up for it. But it is being sold also as a green alternative because Iceland has an inexhaustable supply of geothermal energy readily available (near the surface).
Actually, most countries have an inexhaustable supply of geothermal energy if you dig deep enough; you just have to invest the money in it and it works extremely well and cheaply once it's up and running.
Nuclear is an expensive cumbersome mess in comparison.
Wind power is interesting on a town-to-town basis and wave power is underdeveloped (Scotland is surrounded by sea).
Wouldn't it be nice to give the Icelanders some competition in Scotland.
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