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azzuri
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we do agree - to a certain extent.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:06 pm Post subject: |
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| parkhead_rfb wrote: | | well if its a society problem it must be the problem of all football clubs, im glad we agree. |
Aye, what I was trying to say was, you have to separate (to and extent) what happens around the fitba, and what happens in everyday life. The fitba complicates matters, and brings a lot of other issues into it.
| Quote: | | has anyone ever lost their life due to being perceived as being a sheep shagger |
Not as far as I know. But, a number of folk throughout Europe have lost their lives in football related violence. The old firm have the biggest inter-club rivalry in Scotland, even without the bigotry. |
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parkhead_rfb
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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its the context of the situation though. if someone calls me a w***er fair enough that may be insulting, but if someone were to call me a fenian b****rd it can have a more sinister tone as people have lost their lives due to the perception that they are or may be a fenian b****rd.
football violence is a disgrace and i am totally against it. |
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SLG
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| parkhead_rfb wrote: | | its the context of the situation though. if someone calls me a w***er fair enough that may be insulting, but if someone were to call me a fenian b****rd it can have a more sinister tone as people have lost their lives due to the perception that they are or may be a fenian b****rd. |
But every teams supporters get abuse in their own personal way. The Aberdonians have the sheep, the Celtic make a big thing of the Irish, Catholic background, so that is what the other fans use. At that level, I don't have a problem with it. It's just banter. I've heard Hibs fans shouting FTP and Fenian b****rds at Celtic fans and I've heard Rangers fans shout exactly the same to us! The real problem is when other aspects from outside the fitba get brought into it. And that does happen to an extent in Scotland, but I don't think it's as much of a problem as it's made out.
| parkhead_rfb wrote: | | football violence is a disgrace and i am totally against it. |
Glad to hear it  Not a fan of it either! |
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azzuri
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It shows perfectly a lot of the problems within the old firm that this thread that started out about neil lennon in the football section has now changed to this topic.
Think we need a new thread for this - but there seems to be no defining line for a 'split'. You can find the new thread in the 'Scottish News, Life and Society' section.
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azzuri
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| Posted: Sat Oct 15, 2005 11:36 am Post subject: |
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| parkhead_rfb wrote: | yes but to the bigot a celtic top represents all of those things and to them screams "fenian b****rd"
the cases i am referring to are the boy who was killed by jason campbell in the bridgeton area and the murder of mark scott. graeme speirs is the only mainstream journalist to bring up the fact that a disproportionately high number of celtic fans have been attacked. |
surely this shows though that it's not particularly 'catholics' that are being attacked - but 'celtic fans who are perceived as being catholics' - don't you believe that the old firm therefore help to incite violence against 'catholics'?
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parkhead_rfb
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thats like saying blacks are equally to blaim for racism.
i believe that rangers and other clubs lets not forget simply give a public platform to bigorty that already exists. |
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azzuri
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you are correct - do you think therefore it would be beneficial to eliminate these platforms?
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parkhead_rfb
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| so your sugesting we shut down the spl? hearts, motherwell and your own club also have there fair share of bigots? |
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azzuri
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| parkhead_rfb wrote: | thats like saying blacks are equally to blaim for racism.
i believe that rangers and other clubs lets not forget simply give a public platform to bigorty that already exists. |
It's not really like saying that though is it? - It's saying that the football clubs themselves are to blame. Celtic are not 'catholic' therefore how can it be said that it's like blacks being equally to blame for rascism against blacks?!?!? - although there are some in modern USA society - like Colin Powell.
And yes - it it was to rid Scotland of all sectarianism - I've be happy if the whole SPL shut down. As much as I love football and my team - I'd rather there were less assaults/murders on the streets of Scotland. Wouldn't you?
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parkhead_rfb
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the bigotry it would still be there though and it would manifest its self in another form.
celtic arent an exclusively catholic club your correct but it is viewed by many as a catholic irish club and therefore they feel that legitimises there right to attack supporters of that club. I once read a letter into a newspaper that was written by a woman who had taken her child to a westlife concert and was outraged to see so many irish tricolours on display, heaven forbid eh the irish tri colour at the concert of an irish band  these are the type of attitudes that are alive and well in scotland today. |
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azzuri
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this thread has went WAY off-topic again.
I'm going to lock this thread. please post any other views about this on the other thread I've already set up.
Your inability to separate football and sectarianism speaks volumes.
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