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Ultra
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| Stevie wrote: | | William_Cleland wrote: | | pathetic anti-English bigotry that fixates a large portion of the Scotland support is never confronted and only the prejudices of lumpen proles in the west of Scotland are ever seen as a problem. It's truly sad the way that some people have defined their entire identity based on not being English in the aftermath of the Empire but have had to latch onto a 19th century music hall joke image of what it means to be Scottish |
The anti-English thing is dying but the music hall Scottishness is in your head, I don't think anyone here on this board is of that ilk. The vast majority of Scots aren't : who are you talking about? |
Ha ha.
The vast majority of Scots couldn't care less about Scottishness or portraying the shortbread tin image the SNP Home Coming celebrations would have us believe. Another epic SNP failure!
As for ilk's on this board....
http://ourscotland.myfreeforum.or...Andrew_s_Day_Rally_about6613.html
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Stevie
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It's interesting that you see a lack of interest in one's own country as an SNP failure.
Is your lack of interest in your own country an SNP failure?
You look for SNP failure in every post you make but the reality is the SNP is doing well and will have it's day in the future.
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Ultra
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| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| Stevie wrote: | It's interesting that you see a lack of interest in one's own country as an SNP failure.
Is your lack of interest in your own country an SNP failure?
You look for SNP failure in every post you make but the reality is the SNP is doing well and will have it's day in the future. |
Maybe in your warped utopia FREEEEEEEDOM reality.
So because I an not interested in independence that makes me not interested in Scotland. Ha ha.
Do you even live here? |
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Stevie
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| Ultra wrote: | | Maybe in your warped utopia FREEEEEEEDOM reality. |
So then, 30% of Scots who wish to see the political government of Scotland reinstated via democratic elections are warped.
Well, fortunately the world has more than just your opinion.
The film Braveheart is quite magnificent and you and the other Brits wish to denigrate it : it clearly presses your buttons.
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Ultra
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| Stevie wrote: | | Ultra wrote: | | Maybe in your warped utopia FREEEEEEEDOM reality. |
So then, 30% of Scots who wish to see the political government of Scotland reinstated via democratic elections are warped.
Well, fortunately the world has more than just your opinion.
The film Braveheart is quite magnificent and you and the other Brits wish to denigrate it : it clearly presses your buttons. |
Braveheart is a farce. I suggest you watch Scotland History which is about to be repeated on the BBC if you want the real version of history and not some highland misty eyed version like Braveheart which is work of fiction. Yes Scotland is so good that an Aussie played the main role and it was shot entirely on location in New Zealand. FREEEEEEEDOM!
You already have a Scottish Government. So the other 70% majority should just have their wishes ignored to suit the vocal minority?
Anyways, this is a football thread. So please try and keep it on topic and not do the usual independence fundamentalists trick of taking it off topic. |
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Stevie
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I see you have landg's joke as well.
Creative.
Braveheart is drama not farce and it's a work of fiction
and not historically correct. I take it we would have to have a film about how we won WWII single handed to please your Brit sensibilities.
As far as 70%, it's not it's just another 21% to obtain the majority, don't exaggerate.
And the topic is, yes the little orange men can p**s off along with the little green men. And take their sad sectarian prejudices with them.
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| Stevie wrote: | I see you have landg's joke as well.
Creative.
Braveheart is drama not farce and it's a work of fiction
and not historically correct. I take it we would have to have a film about how we won WWII single handed to please your Brit sensibilities.
As far as 70%, it's not it's just another 21% to obtain the majority, don't exaggerate.
And the topic is, yes the little orange men can p**s off along with the little green men. And take their sad sectarian prejudices with them. |
I would say Braveheart is for plastic Scots like yourself who preach the virtues of becoming independent but don't actually want to live here yourself. Am I right?
So it's quite laughable all the stereotypical nonsense you come out with not realizing things have moved on. |
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You are full of things you would say.
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Ultra
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| Stevie wrote: | | You are full of things you would say. |
Least I ain't a plastic Scot who is complaining about plastic Irish when chances are the last time you saw any sort of walk or attended a football game was years ago.
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On and on...
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...in the interest of pedantry; it should be noted that most of Braveheart was filmed in Ireland, not New Zealand, due to the Irish government being able to offer the production company tax breaks and the use of the Irish Army Reserve as extras for free in battle scenes. Various 'village scenes' were filmed in Glen Nevis, near Fort William.
Ironically enough, the nonsensical fiction that is 'Braveheart' only goes to show how toothless Scotland actually is due to us not being able to offer similiar incentives whilst within the United Kingdom.
Nonsensical fiction it may be; but it's done absolute wonders for Scotland's tourist industry.
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I love the film as a cinema fan in general and as an independentist who is grateful to Randal Wallace for his script masterpiece.
My own hobby is writing screenplays and would love to do work on a Robert Bruce TV series.
And yes the little green and orange men can still ...
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[quote="azzuri
Nonsensical fiction it may be; but it's done absolute wonders for Scotland's tourist industry.[/quote]
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I would think it helps the SNP a bit with some people but the SNP was polling b between 27% and 31% years before the film was released.
What it did do was make people more aware of William Wallace.
Historically it's not accurate in detail but overall the general events are about right (with the exception of Sophie Marceau the French princess) .
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| Stevie wrote: | I would think it helps the SNP a bit with some people but the SNP was polling b between 27% and 31% years before the film was released.
What it did do was make people more aware of William Wallace.
Historically it's not accurate in detail but overall the general events are about right (with the exception of Sophie Marceau the French princess) . |
DEAR GOD, you are actually using braveheart as some kind of tool of nationalism.
honestly, this place gets better by the day. |
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I said, the film made people more aware of Wallace.
Don't know where you got that from.
I take it you have the shakes.
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| this is anothe r reason why i wanted a GB team, beside the fact i liked the idea i'm sure it would have made it a smoother run onto a british leageu. |
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The new set-up from this season makes it more likely that the old firm will have more income from the UEFA competitions in future, in my mind.
Alongside the reworking of the UEFA cup into the europa cup was the splitting the CL qualifying draw into sections for winners and runners up.
So if Scotland falls out of the automatic qualifying spot (which has been the case for as many seasons as not) we will be likely to face a qualifying round against teams of a lower standard than us. The scottish runners up will play other runners-up (i.e. celtic/arsenal/moscow this season) but will have the safety net of the europa cup with three more home matches in europe.
It will be harder for scotlands runners up to make the CL but easier for the champions.
The new set up has meant a stronger uefa cup but has also meant a slight lowering of standards in the CL due to the inclusion of more Champions from smaller countries.
Our diminshing standards are part of of change in the focus of world football with more and more money being centred on the english league, leaving other countries 'big' clubs struggling to compete for players.
5 years ago Celtic could challenge English teams for big players, both in transfer fees and wages. At that time Celtic had a higher player budget than all in England expect the top four and Spurs, Rangers came about 10th or 11th.
Now, Hull etc can offer 50k per week and 6m etc for players Rangers and Celtic can no longer do that.
The second tier in England has emerged as the worlds 5th or 6th biggest league in terms of finance.
Outside of the old firm, the other teams can no longer compete with the likes of Blackpool, Plymouth and Crystal Palace and the same process is taking place on a different scale.
The Old Firm joining an EPL2 is one option that I think might nake things better.
But, I prefer the option of further extension of the euro competitions into more games. I also think that summer football would be a reform that would advance the scottish domestic game, with or without the old firm. |
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| Rinty wrote: | The new set-up from this season makes it more likely that the old firm will have more income from the UEFA competitions in future, in my mind.
Alongside the reworking of the UEFA cup into the europa cup was the splitting the CL qualifying draw into sections for winners and runners up.
So if Scotland falls out of the automatic qualifying spot (which has been the case for as many seasons as not) we will be likely to face a qualifying round against teams of a lower standard than us. The scottish runners up will play other runners-up (i.e. celtic/arsenal/moscow this season) but will have the safety net of the europa cup with three more home matches in europe.
It will be harder for scotlands runners up to make the CL but easier for the champions.
The new set up has meant a stronger uefa cup but has also meant a slight lowering of standards in the CL due to the inclusion of more Champions from smaller countries.
Our diminshing standards are part of of change in the focus of world football with more and more money being centred on the english league, leaving other countries 'big' clubs struggling to compete for players.
5 years ago Celtic could challenge English teams for big players, both in transfer fees and wages. At that time Celtic had a higher player budget than all in England expect the top four and Spurs, Rangers came about 10th or 11th.
Now, Hull etc can offer 50k per week and 6m etc for players Rangers and Celtic can no longer do that.
The second tier in England has emerged as the worlds 5th or 6th biggest league in terms of finance.
Outside of the old firm, the other teams can no longer compete with the likes of Blackpool, Plymouth and Crystal Palace and the same process is taking place on a different scale.
The Old Firm joining an EPL2 is one option that I think might nake things better.
But, I prefer the option of further extension of the euro competitions into more games. I also think that summer football would be a reform that would advance the scottish domestic game, with or without the old firm. |
good post, fair do's. |
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Thankfully this issue has been put to rest as the Premiership chairmen have "overwhelmingly rejected" the idea of the Old Firm entering the Premiership:-
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/football/eng_prem/8353937.stm
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